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Well, I wouldn't mind if your edits had been constructive additions. However, all you have done up to now is delete a lot of sourced content. If you think that because you've asked politely, you can delete the sourced contributions I made, then you've got another think coming. All the content you removed was scrupulously sourced from sources that perfectly meet wikipedia's guidelines for verifiability and reliability. If some things disagree with your POV, that does not entitle you to delete them. Your claims to objectivity and historical accuracy look more like attempts to push a biased vision history.

Moreover, I read your the views you expressed on the talk page, and I can't say I sympathize with them. Especially, your depiction of a war that killed 15,000 Soviets(at least) and one million Afghans (at the very least) as nothing more than "desultory skirmishing" seems to me the last degree of callousness. How could anyone in their right mind say that? All your other arguments are nothing more than the expression of your unfounded POV, or are completely erroneous, like the claim that the Soviets withdrew because of the financial cost of the war(ridiculous). You claim that the article should be sourced from "respected authorities in academia and journalism", but so far, you have failed to cite a single source. If you wish to continue editing this article, I strongly urge you to do so constructively, rather than disruptively. Raoulduke47 (talk) 20:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Raoule, Kenmore blurted the same hurl toward me, that Wikipedia is allegedly turning into a "joke" due to my contributions in the Soviet-Afghan War article. Apparently, any edits that are adverse toward the Soviet position, becomes a "joke" or "far-fetched." What's stunning is Kenmore is demonstrating a gross POV while at the same time labeling other contributions as a "joke" since it is adverse to his Soviet/Russian slant in articles. Scythian1 (talk) 21:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The basis of your viewpoint is the article by Reuveny and Prakash, and I don't believe you even gave that article a close reading. Reuveny and Prakash admit themselves that their view is isolated, contrarian and controversial. In the eight years since its publication no other modern historians or political scientists attach any weight to the article. If I wanted to, I could post an entire slew of footnotes supporting my claims. I am not advocating a "Soviet/Russian slant" in the article...I'm arguing for the truth.
It would nice if you and Roaulduke47 could go for more balance and objectivity in the article. Kenmore (talk) 06:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is absolutely no reason to stick with your POV version. And wikipedia would be a much better place without your dogmatic POV-pushing. As far as I can see you have never made a single useful edit to these articles, but have deleted a lot of content that disagrees with your vision of history. The total result of your actions is to have wasted the time of other contributors and threatened people with flame wars. So what kind of an editor are you? You claim to be arguing for the truth, but so far all you have done is to randomly remove sourced facts, such as the fact that the mujahideen did not interfere with the withdrawal(confirmed by Soviet sources) and the description of the battle of Arghandab. No doubt you would like to brush that communist defeat under the carpet, but it was an example of the weakness of the DRA forces, and it explains why many observers thought the DRA would collapse after the Soviet withdrawal, so it should NOT be removed. Instead you added a mention of the battle of Jalalabad, that happened outside the timeline of this article. What purpose does that serve?

The Battle of Jalalabad happened concurrent to the Soviet withdrawal, and it is important to include in the article because it illustrates that the guerrillas were not winning the war. It shows that the war was stalemated on the ground. Further, there is no need to mention that the guerrillas didn’t interfere with the Soviet withdrawal: they had no choice. The guerrillas never had the firepower to attack Soviet columns in the first place. The Battle of Arghandab was an inconclusive affair; neither side won. It was not a pivotal battle which had any impact on the war, as your narrative suggests. Hence, Arghandab should be removed or rewritten in the article.Kenmore (talk) 15:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And you still haven't explained your grotesque views that a war that killed more than a million Afghans and 15,000 Soviets should be considered "desultory skirmishing". No doubt you are a hardcore Stalinian, and you consider that killing a million people is a statistic. If that is the case, then we don't have the same conception of the value of human life, and we won't ever be able to agree.

As for your views of Reuveny and Prakash, well, your POV does not invalidate the work of serious researchers, published by reliable institutions. the fact that you consider their works to be unreliable is irrelevant. No doubt, because of your Russian/Soviet slant, you would prefer to imagine that the demise of the Soviet union was due to some titanic and glorious struggle between superpowers. But it is easy to understand, even for you, I would have thought, that a regime that staked its credibility on military might would be undermined by a military setback, or even by the perception of a military setback, which is what Reuveny and Prakash were arguing. If I were fond of comparing apples and oranges, like you, I would say that the Soviet leadership found itself in the same situation as the Argentinian miltary Junta after the Falklands war, though in a less dramatic way. This is not a fringe theory as you falsely claim, but a widespreaad idea that is repeated by many sources(including Russian ones) that I could cite. In addition, if you had read the phrase that cited that source before deleting it, then you would have seen that it did not affirm that the war in Afghanistan was the one and only cause of the collapse of the USSR(which I don't believe): all it said was that the war had been cited as one of the causes. That is simply an indication of the importance and notability of the war, regardless of whether it is correct or not. If you had been less narrow-mindedly dogmatic, and less keen to perceive imaginary attacks on the honour of Holy Mother Russia, then you might have understood why that phrase was there, and what it meant exactly.

I don't understand your obssession with Mark Urban. Just becuse his views coincide with yours, does not make them more reliable than other sources. I haven't read his works, but I have read many accounts of this conflict, including Soviet ones (and used them to source my contributions), and my opinions of this war are not what you imagine them to be. --Raoulduke47 (talk) 22:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My chief complaint about the article -- and I'm supported by other Wikipedia contributors here -- is that it doesn't tell the truth.
Your article is not adequately footnoted. References #1 through #4 do not carry enough weight to support the thesis which you and Scythian1 state at the start of the article. I wish you would read more about the conflict...Mark Urban's books are a great place to start. He did two of them, one published in 1987 and the other published in 1991.
I could address your views concerning the military history of the war on a point by point basis, but I don't think I'd get far with you. If you read Urban's books first, then we talk more constructively.
Again, the war consisted chiefly of skirmishes, and nothing more. More Soviet troops died each year at home from industrial accidents and suicide than were killed in Afghanistan. The Soviet army ended the war in exactly the same position it started: firmly entrenched, not in any danger of being displaced, and chasing the rebels around without any decisive result. Even Lester Grau's books support me on this count.
What happened between 1980-89 was largely an analog of what is happening in Afghanistan today, except that the '80s fighting was more intense and widespread than that engaged by NATO today. Gorbachev pulled the troops out because of broad changes in his domestic and foreign policy agenda. NATO forces will probably leave Afghanistan in the future for similar reasons. When NATO leaves Afghanistan, Karzai's forces will rule the cities and provincial capitals uncontested, and the Taliban and their allies will control the countryside. That's the way Afghanistan was in 1989, and it's pretty much how power has been divided between the central government and the provincial tribes thoughout centuries of Afghan history.
Kenmore (talk) 06:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. - There is absolutely no basis for comparing the Soviet government's position post-1989 with the Argentine government's position after the Falkland War. The disempowerment of the Soviet government after 1989 was rooted in chaotic political and economic forces which were unleashed by Gorbachev's ill fated reforms in the 1980s. This political and economic chaos had nothing to do with Afghanistan. Gorbachev pulled his army out of Afghanistan as part of a far reaching program of retrenchment forced on him by the USSR's economic condition.

Because of the deteriorating economic situation in the USSR in the 1980s, Gorbachev needed desperately to come to terms with Ronald Reagan, NATO and China. Pulling his troops out of Afghanistan was one of many things Gorbachev did to sanitize the international atmosphere so that Reagan, NATO and China would be more likely to make diplomatic peace with Moscow. Gorbachev didn't have much choice here because the USSR had lost the economic resources necessary to perpetuate competition with its rivals on a worldwide basis.

Reuveny and Prakash's article is definitely a fringe theory. It is the only article of its sort published since 1989. I know this for a fact because I have been reading about this subject since the 1980s, when the war itself was in progress. Kenmore (talk) 06:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop reverting the Soviet war in Afghanistan article to wrongly indicate that the war was a stalemate. This is not historically accurate, as now four mainstream credible sources indicate and as numerous other editors on this site have attempted to convey to you. If you want to engage in dialogue on this, do it on the discussion page for the article, though I don't think there is much to discuss: the Soviets withdrew when they were on the military defensive, the government they fought to uphold then collapsed, and the new government was comprised of the forces the Soviets were fighting. That is what we call a defeat. Afrique (talk) 08:55, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The facts about the war are much different than what you claim. Your sources are poor; not by any stretch of the imagination do they support your point. The entire article, in fact, is improperly referenced. Kenmore (talk) 19:29, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please obtain consensus before making such edits. Thanks. Scythian1 (talk) 03:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus of who? That's the question. It is clear from reading the talk page that the few people who are well informed about the subject agree that the edits had to be made. Kenmore (talk) 05:42, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Contributing

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Certainly I will take a look --Tirronan (talk) 19:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I like the article and I like the citations. --Tirronan (talk) 18:19, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

French invasion of Russian

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I'll expand the rest of the article about the same way that I have been. However I only have Riehn as a source, and while he is exceedingly unkind to most of the commanders on either side it bothers me to have only 1 source. I don't have either a French or a Russian view or bias, I'm American and not a fan of Napoleon's operations there as he showed no ability to adapt to what should have been obvious to him. Well then again he didn't seem to have many answers to the improved armies that faced him after 1808. Please feel free to contribute, I can use the help. Tirronan (talk) 07:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One of the things that it took me awhile to learn is that no editor owns an article. If you can bring things to light that I haven't and you have a good sources by all means please do. I don't have much use for POV warriors so make sure you just stick with the facts but other than that I don't have much of a problem.

Lets talk about the Russian military successes, during the invasion, this was a very very strange campaign where the things that should have mattered really didn't and many small things done well were much more important. All the things that served the Grande Armee well in Europe instead lead to huge losses, lack of disapline, lack of a organised looting dispersal system wasted supplies where none should have been. So many of these things went right for the Russians, light cav was consistantly better than French units (excepting some German units) which limited any ability for the French to figure out where the Russians were and I always got the impression they were staggering around blind.

The collasp of the North and South operations were huge, and in many ways the French "victory" at Kaluga was more important in damning the majority of the rementents of the French army to death than Borodino. Where the Berazina was concerned it was another French victory they could hardly stand any more such victories. What rolled out the victory was a wreck that crawled into Germany already rising in revolt. The Russians won by existing regardless of any victory they survived in the same winter that crushed the grand armee and they kept supplied in that hellish summer that killed the vast majority long before winter got hold on the march back. Stopping supplies and constant harrasment were more important than set peice battles would be. Like I said it was a very strange campaign and all the more important because of it. Tirronan (talk) 04:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I was removing a translation request from Indonesian.[2] I just meant that there's no reason we should be translating from Indonesian in this case. Calliopejen1 (talk) 11:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I just saw your edits on the Soviet war in Afghanistan talk page and i'm wondering if you know anything about the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (1978-1992), been working my ass off and could use some help with it since my edits has stagnated. --Im a Socialist! What Are You (talk) 06:45, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The Bugle: Volume LVIX, January 2011

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The Bugle: Issue LXV, July 2011

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The Bugle: Issue LXVI, August 2011

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The Bugle: Issue LXVIII, October 2011

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The Bugle: Issue LXIX, November 2011

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The Bugle: Issue LXX, January 2012

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The Bugle: Issue LXXI, February 2012

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The Bugle: Issue LXXII, March 2012

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The Bugle: Issue LXXIII, April 2012

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The Bugle: Issue LXXIV, May 2012

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GOCE July 2012 Copy Edit Drive

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The Bugle: Issue LXXVII, August 2012

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Military history coordinator election

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The Bugle: Issue LXXVIII, September 2012

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The Bugle: Issue LXXIX, October 2012

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The Bugle: Issue LXXX, November 2012

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXI, December 2012

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXII, January 2013

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXIII, February 2013

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXIV, March 2013

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXV, April 2013

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXVI, May 2013

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File:Tandoori Dhaba's Location.jpg listed for deletion

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXVII, June 2013

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Please see my comment there (I believe you were one of the main authors of this text). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 21:40, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue LXXXVIII, July 2013

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXIX, August 2013

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WikiProject Military history coordinator election

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXXX, September 2013

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The Bugle: Issue XCI, October 2013

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The Bugle: Issue XCII, November 2013

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re: Battles of Krasnoi and Vyazma (1812)

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I replied at the talk pages of articles in question. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:05, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue XCIII, December 2013

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The Bugle: Issue XCIV, January 2014

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The Bugle: Issue XCV, February 2014

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The Bugle: Issue XCVI, March 2014

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The Bugle: Issue XCIX, June 2014

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The Bugle: Issue C, July 2014

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The Bugle: Issue CI, August 2014

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The Bugle: Issue CII, September 2014

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WikiProject Military history coordinator election

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Questions: Classics of Russian military startegies

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Hello Kenmore. How are you ? As you indicated your interest in military history, I come to you for your opionion. Do you know (any) Classic text or book written, with the original written in Russian or some native/local language which cover or overview Russian military strategies ? -- Ktsquare (talk) 16:27, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CIII, October 2014

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The Bugle: Issue CIII, October 2014, Redux

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The Bugle: Issue CIV, November 2014

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Nominations for the Military history Wikiproject's Historian and Newcomer of the Year Awards are now open!

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The Bugle: Issue CV, December 2014

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The Bugle: Issue CVI, January 2015

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The Bugle: Issue CVII, February 2015

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The Bugle: Issue CVIII, March 2015

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The Bugle: Issue CIX, April 2015

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The Bugle: Issue CX, May 2015

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The Bugle: Issue CXI, June 2015

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WikiProject Military history coordinator election

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The Bugle: Issue CXV, October 2015

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The Bugle: Issue CXVI, November 2015

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Nominations for the Military history WikiProject historian and newcomer of the year awards now open!

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On behalf of the Military history WikiProject's Coordinators, we would like to extend an invitation to nominate deserving editors for the 2015 Military historian of the year and Military history newcomer of the year awards. The nomination period will run from 7 December to 23:59 13 December, with the election phase running from 14 December to 23:59 21 December. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:05, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CXVII, December 2015

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The Bugle: Issue CXVIII, January 2016

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The Bugle: Issue CXIX, February 2016

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The Bugle: Issue CXX, March 2016

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The Bugle: Issue CXXI, April 2016

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The Bugle: Issue CXXII, May–June 2016

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The Bugle: Issue CXXIII, July 2016

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The Bugle: Issue CXXIV, August 2016

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The Bugle: Issue CXXV, September 2016

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Military history WikiProject coordinator election

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The Bugle: Issue CXXVI, October 2016

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The Bugle: Issue CXXVII, November 2016

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The Bugle: Issue CXXVIII, December 2016

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Voting for the Military history WikiProject Historian and Newcomer of the Year is ending soon!

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Time is running out to voting for the Military Historian and Newcomer of the year! If you have not yet cast a vote, please consider doing so soon. The voting will end on 31 December at 23:59 UTC, with the presentation of the awards to the winners and runners up to occur on 1 January 2017. For the Military history WikiProject Coordinators, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:01, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The Bugle: Issue CXXIX, January 2017

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The Bugle: Issue CXXX, February 2017

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March Madness 2017

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G'day all, please be advised that throughout March 2017 the Military history Wikiproject is running its March Madness drive. This is a backlog drive that is focused on several key areas:

  • tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
  • updating the project's currently listed A-class articles to ensure their ongoing compliance with the listed criteria
  • creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various task force pages or other lists of missing articles.

As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.

The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the military history scope will be considered eligible. More information can be found here for those that are interested, and members can sign up as participants at that page also.

The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 March and runs until 23:59 UTC on 31 March 2017, so please sign up now.

For the Milhist co-ordinators. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) & MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:24, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CXXXI, March 2017

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXII, April 2017

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIII, May 2017

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIV, June 2017

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXV, July 2017

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXVI, August 2017

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXVII, September 2017

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2017 Military history WikiProject Coordinator election

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Greetings from the Military history WikiProject! Elections for the Military history WikiProject Coordinators are currently underway. As a member of the WikiProject you are cordially invited to take part by casting your vote(s) for the candidates on the election page. This year's election will conclude at 23:59 UTC 29 September. Thank you for your time. For the current tranche of Coordinators, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CXXXVIII, October 2017

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIX, November 2017

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2017 Military Historian of the Year and Newcomer of the Year nominations and voting

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As we approach the end of the year, the Military History project is looking to recognise editors who have made a real difference. Each year we do this by bestowing two awards: the Military Historian of the Year and the Military History Newcomer of the Year. The co-ordinators invite all project members to get involved by nominating any editor they feel merits recognition for their contributions to the project. Nominations for both awards are open between 00:01 on 2 December 2017 and 23:59 on 15 December 2017. After this, a 14-day voting period will follow commencing at 00:01 on 16 December 2017. Nominations and voting will take place on the main project talkpage: here and here. Thank you for your time. For the co-ordinators, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:35, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CXL, December 2017

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User group for Military Historians

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Greetings,

"Military history" is one of the most important subjects when speak of sum of all human knowledge. To support contributors interested in the area over various language Wikipedias, we intend to form a user group. It also provides a platform to share the best practices between military historians, and various military related projects on Wikipedias. An initial discussion was has been done between the coordinators and members of WikiProject Military History on English Wikipedia. Now this discussion has been taken to Meta-Wiki. Contributors intrested in the area of military history are requested to share their feedback and give suggestions at Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Wikipedia Military Historians.

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The Bugle: Issue CXLI, January 2018

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The Bugle: Issue CXLII, February 2018

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The Bugle: Issue CXLIII, March 2018

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The Bugle: Issue CXLIIV, April 2018

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The Bugle: Issue CXLIV, May 2018

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The Bugle: Issue CXLVI, June 2018

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The Bugle: Issue CXLVII, July 2018

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The Bugle: Issue CXLVIII, August 2018

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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open

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Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Cheers, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:53, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CXLIX, September 2018

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Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced

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G'day everyone, voting for the 2018 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche is now open. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2018. Thanks, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:35, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced

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G'day everyone, voting for the 2018 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche is now open. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2018. Thanks, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:22, 15 September 2018 (UTC) Note: the previous version omitted a link to the election page, therefore you are receiving this follow up message with a link to the election page to correct the previous version. We apologies for any inconvenience that this may have caused.[reply]

Have your say!

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Hi everyone, just a quick reminder that voting for the WikiProject Military history coordinator election closes soon. You only have a day or so left to have your say about who should make up the coordination team for the next year. If you have already voted, thanks for participating! If you haven't and would like to, vote here before 23:59 UTC on 28 September. Thanks, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:29, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CL, October 2018

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The Bugle: Issue CLI, November 2018

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ArbCom 2018 election voter message

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Hello, Kenmore. Voting in the 2018 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 3 December. All users who registered an account before Sunday, 28 October 2018, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Thursday, 1 November 2018 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2018 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nominations now open for "Military historian of the year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" awards

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Nominations for our annual Military historian of the year and Military history newcomer of the year awards are open until 23:59 (GMT) on 15 December 2018. Why don't you nominate the editors who you believe have made a real difference to the project in 2018? MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:26, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CLII, December 2018

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Voting now open for "Military historian of the year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" awards

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Voting for our annual Military historian of the year and Military history newcomer of the year awards is open until 23:59 (GMT) on 30 December 2018. Why don't you vote for the editors who you believe have made a real difference to Wikipedia's coverage of military history in 2018? MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:17, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CLIII, January 2019

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The Bugle: Issue CLIV, February 2019

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The Bugle: Issue CLV, March 2019

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The Bugle: Issue CLVI, April 2019

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The Bugle: Issue CLVII, May 2019

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The Bugle: Issue CLVIII, June 2019

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The Bugle: Issue CLIX, July 2019

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The Bugle: Issue CLX, August 2019

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The Bugle: Issue CLX, August 2019

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Backlog Banzai

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In the month of September, Wikiproject Military history is running a project-wide edit-a-thon, Backlog Banzai. There are heaps of different areas you can work on, for which you claim points, and at the end of the month all sorts of whiz-bang awards will be handed out. Every player wins a prize! There is even a bit of friendly competition built in for those that like that sort of thing. Sign up now at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/September 2019 Backlog Banzai to take part. For the coordinators, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:18, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open

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Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:38, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced

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G'day everyone, voting for the 2019 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche is now open. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2018. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:37, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CLXI, September 2019

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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election half-way mark

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G'day everyone, the voting for the XIX Coordinator Tranche is at the halfway mark. The candidates have answered various questions, and you can check them out to see why they are running and decide whether you support them. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2018. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:36, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CLXII, October 2019

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The Bugle: Issue CLXIII, November 2019

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The Bugle: Issue CLXIV, December 2019

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The Bugle: Issue CLXV, January 2020

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The Bugle: IssueICLXVI, February 2020

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March Madness 2020

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G'day all, March Madness 2020 is about to get underway, and there is bling aplenty for those who want to get stuck into the backlog by way of tagging, assessing, updating, adding or improving resources and creating articles. If you haven't already signed up to participate, why not? The more the merrier! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC) for the coord team[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CLXVII, March 2020

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The Bugle: Issue CLXVIII, April 2020

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The Bugle: Issue CLXIX, May 2020

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The Bugle: Issue CLXX, June 2020

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXI, July 2020

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXII, August 2020

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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open

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Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:05, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue Issue CLXXIII, September 2020

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Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced

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G'day everyone, voting for the 2020 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche is now open. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2020. Thanks from the outgoing coord team, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:17, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CLXXIV, October 2020

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXV, November 2020

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Nominations for the 2020 Military history WikiProject Newcomer and Historian of the Year awards now open

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G'day all, the nominations for the 2020 Military history WikiProject newcomer and Historian of the Year are open, all editors are encouraged to nominate candidates for the awards before until 23:59 (GMT) on 15 December 2020, after which voting will occur for 14 days. There is not much time left to nominate worthy recipients, so get to it! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:45, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CLXXVI, December 2020

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Voting for "Military Historian of the Year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" closing

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G'day all, voting for the WikiProject Military history "Military Historian of the Year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" is about to close, so if you haven't already, click on the links and have your say before 23:59 (GMT) on 30 December! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:34, 28 December 2020 (UTC) for the coord team[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, January 2021

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, February 2021

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, February 2021

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXIX, March 2021

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April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive

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Hey y'all, the April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive begins at 00:01 UTC on April 1, 2021 and runs through 23:59 UTC on April 31, 2021. Points can be earned through reviewing articles on the AutoCheck report, reviewing articles listed at WP:MILHIST/ASSESS, reviewing MILHIST-tagged articles at WP:GAN or WP:FAC, and reviewing articles submitted at WP:MILHIST/ACR. Service awards and barnstars are given for set points thresholds, and the top three finishers will receive further awards. To participate, sign up at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_History/April 2021 Reviewing Drive#Participants and create a worklist at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/April 2021 Reviewing Drive/Worklists (examples are given). Further details can be found at the drive page. Questions can be asked at the drive talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:25, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CLXXX, April 2021

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXI, May 2021

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXII, June 2021

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXIII, July 2021

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXIV, August 2021

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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open

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Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:58, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nomination period closing soon

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Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are still open, but not for long. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! No further nominations will be accepted after that time. Voting will commence on 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Military history coordinator election voting has commenced

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXV, September 2021

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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election voting period closing soon

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXV, October 2021

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVI, November 2021

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, December 2021

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, January 2022

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIV, February 2022

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, March 2022

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, April 2022

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The Bugle: Issue CXCIII, May 2022

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The Bugle: Issue CXCIV, June 2022

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The Bugle: Issue CXCVI, July 2022

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The Bugle: Issue CXCVII, August 2022

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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations opening soon

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Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are opening in a few hours (00:01 UTC on 1 September). A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:51, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election voting opening soon!

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Voting for the upcoming project coordinator election opens in a few hours (00:01 UTC on 15 September) and will last through 23:59 on 28 September. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. Voting is conducted using simple approval voting and questions for the candidates are welcome. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:26, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Correction to previous election announcement

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Just a quick correction to the prior message about the 2022 MILHIST coordinator election! I (Hog Farm) didn't proofread the message well enough and left out a link to the election page itself in this message. The voting will occur here; sorry about the need for a second message and the inadvertent omission from the prior one. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:41, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election voting closing soon

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Voting for the upcoming project coordinator election closes soon, at 23:59 on 28 September. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. Voting is conducted using simple approval voting and questions for the candidates are welcome. The voting itself is occurring here If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, September 2022

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The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, October 2022

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The Bugle: Issue CXCIX, November 2022

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The Bugle: Issue CC, December 2022

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The Bugle: Issue 201, January 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 202, February 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 203, March 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 204, April 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 205, May 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 205, May 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 206, June 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 207, July 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 208, August 2023

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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open

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Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election have opened. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting will commence on 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:05, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue 209, September 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 210, October 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 211, November 2023

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